Questions and Answers


Here are my answers to some of the questions I received

Question 1

Dear Thirumeni

“Salvation is attained through the Holy church only; despite exceptions also is a possibility that again is determined by God”.

Could you please define the Holy church?

Thanks

Shibu

 

Reply 1.

Dear Shibu

Church according to Orthodox understanding “is a community of faithful called together by God where the body and blood of Jesus Christ is shared under the supervision of a validly ordained episcopos and guided by the Holy Spirit”

Regards and prayers

Thirumeni

 

Question 2.

Dear Thirumeni,

 

Can you please throw a clear light on the topic “Trinity”. Muslims also believe in Jesus, not as God, but as a prophet. We can see, in many cases, Jesus is pleading to the Father for doing miracles. Why can’t he do it alone?  Being a god, is there any need for Jesus to pray to the Father? We can also see in Bible, Jesus saying; “Your God and My God….Father is greater than I” etc. Also in Acts 3:26, Jesus is referred to as “Servant” of God. It can be interpreted as “Jesus is just a man like any other prophet. He doesn’t have any Godly power or divinity. The Father is the only God, whom Jesus also prays to”. Kindly help us to understand existance of Father, Son and Holy Spirit together as one God.

Regards,

Moncy

 

Reply 2.

Dear Moncy

Trinity is primarily a mystery which is beyond any human description and exhaustive comprehension. The Church experienced God at three stages in history in three ways. At the same time it knew that God is one. Trinity gave a perfect means through which the Church was able to explain its experience.

The fathers of the Church tried to explain Trinity several ways. One of the explanations I found better for my understanding is; the Father is the thought, the Son is the Word that is the expressed thought that contains full essence of the thought and the H. Spirit is the dynamic of the thought through the Word which carry the same essence. So the source of the other two are the thought (the Father), and medium of the dynamic is the Word. The Word put to work by H. Spirit. We do not see the thought. We hear the Word and see the H. Spirit when some thing is done by the Word. In the fullness of time in the Incarnate Word we were able to both hear and see the Word in Jesus Christ. We are not able to see the H. Spirit today. But we see its working today in the Church and its members.

A perfect situation of the presence of all the three persons, the Holy Trinity, can be seen in creation. First the thought “Let there be…”, that is uttered and then you hear the Word. When it comes to life you see the working of the thought through the Word by the H. Spirit. Since all the three persons share the same essence, there is only one God, but experienced as three persons. The fathers of the Church would say, “three person worshipped and glorified as One Triune God”

I am not sure whether I made myself clear. It is in fact a mystery and therefore beyond any explanation.

Regards and prayers

Thirumeni

 

Question 3.

 

Respected Thirumeni,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Hope the day of the Lord bought new joy and peace in your busy schedule.

I had a doubt which passed by mind while reciting the Nicene creed
during the Qurbana today.

In the Epistle to the Ephesian’s St. Paul quotes “there is one body
and one spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your
caling; One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.”

The Apostle clearly Emphasise that there is only Baptism, and in the
creed we too affirm that there is Only One Baptism.

My Query is that:

THEN WHY DO NOT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE BAPTISM OF THE PENTECOST OR THE
PROTESTANTS AND IF ANYONE IS TAKEN INTO OUR CHURCH THE ENTIRE
SACRAMENT IS RE-CONFIRMED?

It may be question of Heresey, but do waiting for your humbe reply.

Anish

 

Reply 3

Dear Anish

We do not accept the baptism of Pentecostal communities because it is not meet the requirements of a valid sacrament. Any one can dip a human in water and say you are baptized. But for us it will not make a person baptized. Any act of mystery or Sacrament through human has to have certain criteria kept. A holy time (or a set apart time), a holy person (validly ordained person, say a clergyman), a holy place (around a community that is specifically called together) a holy word (words of institution) and holy act (specified way of doing things). Only in such situation H. Spirit will be active. It is the Holy Spirit that perfects an act of human. We do not accept the validity of the ordination of the pastor that performs the baptism. Therefore this person can not create a holy place, a holy time, utter a holy word and perform a holy act.

 

Regards and prayers

Thirumeni

 

 

Question 4.

Respected Thirumeni,

 

One of my close relatives, rarely participate in the Holy Qurbana and comments on those who participate regularly.     He wondered how they could do it since the prayer says ‘Ee sudhathakal vishudhiyum vedippum ullavarkku maathram nalkappedunnu’. He also said that we are told that of we participate when we are not pure it causes our death.

 

I had heard once that the lines following the above, which says that the Trinitarian God is the only one who is Holy and that He is with us is the answer to this paradox. I also thought that perhaps that is why the unbaptised about whom we are unsure, are not allowed to participate. Anyway I said that it is not about our personal holiness as we cannot be holy.

 

The answers given by Fr T George and Mr Koshy on ICON does not answer the question.

 

In Saadhakante Sancharam it says we can approach as a sinful but repentant son would approach the Father. I guess we should also be determined not to repeat the old sins.

 

How  can I give an answer to the question?  If it is given here, I will take a print and give it to my relative (without my question)

 

I also heard some people say that usually when they participate some kind of quarrel takes place afterwards. I sometimes have the same experience because I come home dead tired after fasting and gets very irritated as I want to lie down but have to prepare Sunday breakfast and lunch etc. I am diabetic and my routine medicine etc are totally upset and it takes a couple of days to recover from the effects of hypoglycemia and acidity.. Now I do not participate in the bread & wine on Sundays, but go on Wednesdays when the service is short and I can get home to breakfast by 8.30.

 

Can a sick person have medicine and food (some vegetarian food or milk) and go for Qurbana? We were told in Bangalore we must put a gap of 5 hours between eating and qurbana. Then if the service starts at 6.30, but the QUrbana is given at 8.30-8.45, can we eat around 3.30? . But that would not help with taking medicines as I  have to take it at the same time each day.  What is the solution?  A working person staying at some distance from the Church may not be able to attend the Wednesday/Saturday Services.

 

Please forgive me if there is anything irregular about my questions

 

Susan

 

Reply 4.

Dear Susan

First of all there was nothing irregular or improper in your queries.

 

God, for that matter Jesus Christ, never intended to make things difficult for humans to be saved. Some times we, out of our ignorance or simplicity or over enthusiasm make it too hard to be in fellowship with God and fellow beings.

The answer to the first question is, yes the priest would say the “these holies are given to the holy and pure”. But following this the priest says, The Holy Father who created the world is with us, one Holy Son who redeemed us through the suffering is with us and one Holy Spirit that perfects every thing is with us. The people   would respond and say Amen. In the fellowship of the Holy Trinity which is holy in itself we become eligible to receive the Holy Eucharist.

According to Orthodox position, those baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity are holy people. They may sin, but not sinners. Their participation in the Holy Trinity, they essentially are holy people struggling to go forward to become completely holy. In this journey the Holy Eucharist helps people. They travel this road to perfection with the Holy Trinity. Please also see my posting on my blog: https://yuhanonmilitos.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/rules-for-receiving-holy-qurbono/

As you may see in the blog, the Church fathers would say that the H. Qurbana is celebrated for those who participate in it. When ever you attend a service you are supposed to receive the H. Eucharist. As for Orthodox understanding any baptized person has the right to demand H. Eucharist any time day or night without any questions asked or objection raised. It is the right of the believed and the duty of the priest to administer. It is for the forgiveness of sins and for fellowship with our Lord. It is given to those who do sin that they be empowered to resist satanic forces and not to sin any more. Yes we should try not to repeat the old sin. But we are humans and may repeat. That will not deny our right to H. Qurbana, rather help us to continue the struggle to get out of the clutches of sin and Satan step by step.

 

Holy Qurbana is a fellowship meal of the family members with the head of the family who is Christ Jesus. The membership in the family is guaranteed through baptism. It initiates one in to the fellowship of Christ. That is why we do not give H. Qurbana to the un-baptized.

I do not know why people should quarrel after the H. Qurbana. This may mean that they have not internalized their participation with Christ which is in fact participation with fellow beings. This should start with the family members. They should understand each other, respect and participate in the toil of fellow family members. If that happens there will not be any quarrel. Receiving H. Qurbana will not have any magical effect on us. It will transform us. If it does not, then it means we are not taking it seriously and are not participating consciously and effectively. That is our fault and not the fault of the H. Qurbana or its consumption on a regular basis.

 

Regarding your second question, The Church certainly makes exceptions to its rules under specific situations. A sick person, a person on the road, a pregnant woman, infants all are exempt from common laws of receiving H. Communion. H.G. Mathews Mar Barnabas Thirumeni has been a sick person for quite a long time. He is acute diabetic. He used to get up at 5 in the morning say the mid-night prayers, take his breakfast, then take a short nap of an hour or so and then go for H. Qurbana. This is perfectly all right for people with acute health concerns.

Again probably there should be some consideration on the part of your family members too. After the Sunday service you can have a pre-cooked meal or some thing light like fruits or bread and butter for the whole family. That will make it easier for every one in the family. When you are angry others will also be angry.

Regards and prayers

Thirumeni

 

Question 5

My dear Thirumeni,

 

I hope your grace is doing well.  I would like to get two of  my doubts cleared which are given below:

 

In 2 Kings 18: 4 we read thus: “He (Hezekiah)removed the high places and broke
the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze
serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned
incense to it, and called it Nehushtan”. Based on this biblical verse, how could
we justify our act of veneration of the holy Cross on the Good Friday service?

Further, we read in the gospel according to St.Luke 23:53 thus: “Then he(Joseph
of Arimathea) took it(the body of Jesus) down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it
in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before”.(New
King James version). When it is said that the material ‘Linen’ was used to wrap
the body of Christ, why is it so that we use ‘Cotton stuff’ clothing for
wrapping the holy Cross for the entombing service on good friday?

 

Seeking the blessing  of  your grace, I remain.

 

With love,

George Achen.

 

Reply 5.

Dear Achen

Regarding your first question, being a student of Old Testament, I do not wish to comment on the passage you quoted. This is because it might require extensive introductory explanation to talk about what really was happening there historically.

Regarding the question about the cross, it was long been answered by several Church fathers and scholars of the community (I am attaching a copy of an article from H.G. Dr. Paulose Mar Gregorios on this). There is a historical context where cross became a symbol of Christianity that considered it as a symbol of salvation. Earlier, as you may know, Christians used FISH as their symbol. This was replaced by cross after the Constantine era.

In the course of history several meanings were attributed on to it. In simple terms it is the symbol of the salvation Christ brought to this world through his death and resurrection. First of all, the cross itself went through a transformation. It was a symbol of death and destruction. With death on the cross and resurrection of Christ it became a symbol of life. So for anyone who honors the cross, this became a symbol of their own transformation. You can transform another only if you first transform yourself.

Again cross became the symbol of vicarious suffering. The humiliation Jesus experienced by being crucified was not on his accord, rather on behalf of others. This is some thing to be valued high. Cross again became a synonym of salvation. It was the cross or the suffering on the cross Jesus took on himself that took away the suffering and punishment humans had to take because of the fallen state they had due to the sin of Adam.

So cross on several accounts became a symbol of Christian existence. The very self of Christianity is expressed in the cross. This has to be esteemed high and respected without limit. However, it is not the cross that brought salvation rather it was Christ who died on the cross who did.

But people need symbols for them to effectively and concretely do things. So Christians chose cross as a meaningful symbol that can take the respect of people on behalf of Christ. Cross is never considered an idol because we do not believe that it saved us. When we venerate cross, if anyone thinks that it is the cross that saved us and therefore we are venerating it, it has to be condemned. On the part of the Israelites those idols and even the bronze serpent became gods and objects of worship considering them as source of blessing. Of course there are Hollywood movies that tell you that cross will drive away demons and evil spirits. Well, it will not. In popular religion too people may think of the cross this way. Nevertheless, a person can gather courage by wearing a cross to drive away evil spirits not in a magical way, but with a psychological effect. Every one needs some thing visible and concrete to hold on to. Religion provides symbols and tools to do that. It is the responsibility of the religion to at the same time tell the people ‘it shall not be made a god rather go further to reach to the ultimate transcending the symbol’.

 

Now for you, if you show incense before the cross thinking that you are venerating it as a source of blessing and a piece of divine, you are worshipping it. On the contrary if you do it with a clear understanding that you consider it as a symbol and actual worship is offered to the One who died on the cross, you are on right track. Mar Gregorios Paulose Thirumeni draws a distinction between veneration and worship as you may see in the article attached. Even if that is not applied here, still it is quite all right to offer incense before the cross if you have perfect perspective of what you are doing. If you consider it as god then that attitude has to be removed, or in OT terms it ‘has to be pulled down’. If you consider it as a symbol of the suffering death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, then it can stay. It all depends on how you look at it. You may also look at what I wrote in my blog on this:

 

https://yuhanonmilitos.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/several-questions-and-my-answers/

 

The Syriac Pshito of Gospel according to St. Luke 23:52-53a would read, (52) “hono khreb luoth Philatos vusael pagre d’yesu (53) va’hetheh vkharkhe bhyozo dkhetono vusomeh bbeth kabro nakhiro …”. Here the word used for the cloth that covered Jesus body is “khetono” that can be translated as cotton. This is reflected in the liturgy and readings for the day also in our Syriac tradition. However, the Oxford dictionary of Syriac-English by Pane-Smith translates the word khetono as linen.

Greek word used here is “sindowni”. This is also translated by Greek- English Lexicons as linen. Nevertheless, Greek-English Lexicon edited by Johannes P. Louw and others of the United Bible Societies correctly says that in many ancient languages there was no word for linen. The lexicon also says that though the word is usually translated as linen, it may simply mean fine cloth or expensive cloth or just good cloth. So we may assume that the translation linen does not talk about the material rather of the quality of the cloth. Whether you translate it as linen or cotton it simply does not matter as long as it implies that it is a very expensive cloth. In modern spoken Syriac “khethono” is cotton (see similarity in pronounciation). We are well justified in translating the word as cotton.

Regards and prayers

Thirumeni

Here is the article I mentioned in the reply

Tension Buster


When I am stressed out or under too much pressure or tension I step out in to my garden and these is what I see. No wonder God created human and put them in a garden that they can keep their sanity. Instead human stepped out  of the garden and started living in concrete jungle. Then they go crazy and hate self and others and kill. Preserve the nature that God created and be at peace. Today is US world water day.

Bishop Mar Paulose Remembered


Bishop Dr. Paulose Mar Paulsoe Trust, Thrissur conducted his memorial lecture on 20th March 2012, Metropolitan Yuhanon Mor Meletius presided over the function. Noted activist Dr. Binayak Sen delivered the memorial lecture. Metropolitan Mar Aprem talked about his life with the late bishop. A book entitled Marxist Critique of Religion containing Bishop Mar Paulose’s article with introduction by Metropolitan Mar Meletius, forward by Prof. Dr. Ninan Koshy and a word of appreciation by late Mr. E.M.S. Namboothirippad was released by Episcopa Mar Augin Kuriakose which was given to Mr. U.P. Joseph, Manager, Desabhimani, Thrissur. Prof. Dr. Kavumbai Balakrishnan welcomed the guests and Adv. Paul. C. Joseph proposed vote of thanks.

Pictures, Few pages of the book and audio files of the presentations

For Audio files of speeches of Mar Meletius and Dr. Binayak Sen pl. go to my SkyDrive::

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=866cc4f0caf251c6#cid=866CC4F0CAF251C6&id=866CC4F0CAF251C6!3397

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Bishop Dr. Paulose Mar Paulose’s 14th death anniversary will be observed with a public meeting and a memorial lecture by Dr. Binayak Sen, noted humanist and activist in Thrissur Sahitya Academy hall on 20th March, 2012 (Today’s event will be added later)

Official Cheating and Episcopal Fraudulence


Please watch these videos which are self explanatory. How can a Judicial Magistrate, the district collector help people violate his own order? How can a higher authority in the Christian Church perform such a fraudulent act. What kind of a God he thinks will be pleased in his service?

 

 

Makkarios Thirumeni Remembered


Orma Perunnal of Late H.G. Dr. Thomas Mar Makkarios Thirumeni was celebrated at Thirumeni’s home parish at Ayiroor on 11 March 2012

My words:

Newly Elected Felicitated


A reception to newly elected Trustees of the Church along with Managing Committee Members from Kandanad East and West dioceses of the Malankara Orthodox Church was accorded at Pampakuda on 11-03-2012.

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